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Posted - 2006.11.20 23:36:00 -
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Hey CCP, exactly how does your allowance of $ to GTC to ISK (in other words buying isk) not break EVE and make any legit in-game isk earning pointless?
Can someone explain to me how this is notcorruption?
It's no different than a rich RL Corporation bribing a government, right? Thus removing competition? I dare CCP to give an answer that explains this.
I say this as a player of 2 years with 2 accounts who wants to continue playing this game.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 03:08:00 -
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IÆll respond in order:
Nate: So itÆs legal. It shouldnÆt be.
Captain GTCMAN and Major Stormer: In-game time should benefit the player In-game. You put more time in, you should get a greater reward. In fact a player that ôkeeps upö with someone that puts in more time, by buying isk, undercuts the work put in in-game. Should everything be for sale and nothing achieved by putting in the work that it was intended to represent. ItÆs the same rational that someone using cheats could use against someone who was not. ôWell this guy is better because heÆs played longer and somehow thatÆs not fair, but it IS fair for me to buy my way to equivalency or superiority instead of putting in the work.
Dark Shikari: It prevents Macro miners and Ebay auctions? Ebay auctions of any property of CCP can be removed by Ebay, exactly as it is done to sellers of EOM software by the software publishers.
Melanu: Keeping isk price low? Lol in no way justifies out of game factors from influencing in-game economics.
Hellspawn01: My position is that translating money to GTC to isk takes away from the purity of the game completely.
Rayvonuk: The similarity lies in being able to influence a system, intended to be fair and therefore make sense, by outside factors. i.e. an athlete gaining a performance advantage by taking steroids.
And Grez, the fact that CCP is benefiting financially short term by hurting the game long term is hardly comforting. It is a sell-out plain and simple.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 04:56:00 -
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Miss Social,
I never suggested that you didn't deserve to play EVE. Can I skip soaking my head? But what about the EVE player that works, had family, etc. and would rather not spend his income to play the game beyond the monthly fee? Does EVE become that expensive? Because that's how it is for most EVE players. Average age 27. MMORPGs take time. The average player spends 17 hours per week. Getting around that fact is the justification for cash for isk. Now it becomes a completely different game, not as advertised destroying the investment in time that so many have made.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:41:00 -
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 That's your response? Shut up and play the game? Maybe because the strategy factor of the game, the reason we create support accounts, do research, compete economically, etc. has been rendered pointless. What's left is skill in a given ship which is still cool but then why have any currency at all if that's is all that is left in EVE?
Resources in EVE is THE key element in the game. It determines the actual level of risk taken. Now that is gone.
Gone like the integrity of the average person. WHere winning is everything and how you play the game means nothing. I think EVE was designed to match wits not wallets.
And to those that say life and EVE are unfair, so play ball...that's such a cop out. Life is unfair as we cannot control if we are born to rich parents or poor parents etc. But the phrase of life (and EVE, or anything else) not being fair has been the excuse for people not to be fair, or behave with any integrity.
Would Chess be the classic test of wits if a player could buy extra Queens? 
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:00:00 -
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Lucy: regardless of the fact that the isk is earned by the seller, buying isk is still a cheat.
Tommy: Did you read the thread? Which part do you not understand. Please re-read.
Zolyart: Cash for Isk is a cheat. Nothing will change that.
Zooish: Why did you even post? You added nothing except that you want this post censored.
Revenal: Eve is about more than flying ships.
Did any of you read and understand the posts in this thread?
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:49:00 -
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Zolyart you are correct that cash for isk is now condoned and encouraged by CCP. IÆve stated that this is my issue. Since it is condoned by CCP makes it not a cheat in the eyes of CCP. ThatÆs where the corruption lies. If tomorrow the police said that it is ok to punch a little kid in the head and steal his candy, would that make it less wrong to do that? Not in the least. And if the Police somehow benefited from this each time it happened, would that not be corruption? Of course it would. Now thatÆs a silly analogy but I think that the point is made.
NaÆThuul, thank you for seeing that facts as you do. Now if it just came down to noobs flying and losing expensive ships that would be fine. But what about previous responders pointing out that in a war of attrition, cash for isk could determine the outcome of said war? That right there is the key issue.
And Shameless, I raise a valid point. Why characterize it as a whine? I think the true whine is ôI donÆt put in enough time to really play the game and itÆs not fair so IÆll buy isk for cashö. Again IÆll state that I work full-time and put in an average amount of game time. I also rat to support my PvP.
Now if CCP reversed their decision, stopped allowing isk for sale, and took all possible measures to prevent isk sales of any kind, then I would happily spend lots of game-time hunting Macro-miners.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:35:00 -
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Months back PCGAMER Mag stopped running ads for sites Farmer sites for the good of gaming, even though it meant less revenue for the mag. They wrote a big editorial about it.
So if that's where it lies, that in-game currency will always be available for cash, and it is made known by all considering playing a MMORPG, I would venture that less gamers will choose to play a MMORPG. I guess integrity has gone out of style and we all lower ourselves to the lowest common denominator since the next guy will too. A sad state of affairs indeed. Next everyone will be condoning the logout exploit.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:30:00 -
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Ok Tommy,
I am suggesting that one player being able to buy isk with cash, while another earns their isk through game mechanics, is not be equitable. This point has been made by myself and other responders so I asked you to re-read the thread. There's really nothing left to say, I just wanted to answer you.
I AM suprised that some people are wanting this thread censored. Why could that be? Is it that some don't want the truth to be told?
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